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Apr 5, 2010 7:34:24 GMT -5
Post by stinger on Apr 5, 2010 7:34:24 GMT -5
Exactly-oh the purists equate tough grinding aggressive hockey with Goonery.Even though the Mcmorran has the dimensions for that type of hockey Drulia insists on a softer brand of hockey without the power forwards and tough guys employed by the other teams.Fact is in a rough tough game a few scraps might break out and Drulia's preference is not for that too happen.Also the Gomezs,Goulets,Macmillians etc can give the top players like Bedard a little extra without reprisal. Their is a miniscule chance of Port Huron ever beating a Fort Wayne in the playoffs because they employ a tough checking game led by Chaulk. No team entertains less with a rough tough checking game then Port Huron plays on most nights.
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Apr 5, 2010 8:21:19 GMT -5
Post by rigamortis52 on Apr 5, 2010 8:21:19 GMT -5
In a jist this is what I am saying. If you people feel that watching a game with no checking, no emotion, and no rough stuff is entertaining then save yourself some money and go watch the Sunday Senior Mens games at 6 and 730pm during the winter. There are some former Beacons and Flags in that league. Now if you are going to spend $10 for a ticket and $3 to park, you should expect to see some sort of entertainment. I'm not saying GOON hockey but I am saying FINISHING CHECKS and play with some SPARK and EMOTION. When the time comes to step up, drop the gloves to spark your team and the FANS. You people who think watching this team is entertaining night in and night out are wrong in my opinion. By the way, in my 33 years of playing hockey, I have played at the junior and college level. Minor League hockey is falling apart because of this new European style of hockey in the NHL. Even their attendance is down. Attendance isn't down because they are playing the Euro style of hockey, it's down because this economy blows. Style of play and attendance aren't directly related up there.
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Apr 5, 2010 9:44:52 GMT -5
Post by xcheck28 on Apr 5, 2010 9:44:52 GMT -5
In a jist this is what I am saying. If you people feel that watching a game with no checking, no emotion, and no rough stuff is entertaining then save yourself some money and go watch the Sunday Senior Mens games at 6 and 730pm during the winter. There are some former Beacons and Flags in that league. Now if you are going to spend $10 for a ticket and $3 to park, you should expect to see some sort of entertainment. I'm not saying GOON hockey but I am saying FINISHING CHECKS and play with some SPARK and EMOTION. When the time comes to step up, drop the gloves to spark your team and the FANS. You people who think watching this team is entertaining night in and night out are wrong in my opinion. By the way, in my 33 years of playing hockey, I have played at the junior and college level. Minor League hockey is falling apart because of this new European style of hockey in the NHL. Even their attendance is down. Attendance isn't down because they are playing the Euro style of hockey, it's down because this economy blows. Style of play and attendance aren't directly related up there. I wouldn't be so sure of that. The economy has fortunated not affected me directly, so I still have the money to spend on season tickets. However, if Drulia's coaching next year, it's pretty likely that neither myself or the people I sit with will renew our tix, not because we can't afford them, but because most games are just snoozers.
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Apr 5, 2010 11:27:02 GMT -5
Post by computerjunkie on Apr 5, 2010 11:27:02 GMT -5
Attendance isn't down because they are playing the Euro style of hockey, it's down because this economy blows. Style of play and attendance aren't directly related up there. I wouldn't be so sure of that. The economy has fortunated not affected me directly, so I still have the money to spend on season tickets. However, if Drulia's coaching next year, it's pretty likely that neither myself or the people I sit with will renew our tix, not because we can't afford them, but because most games are just snoozers. Just because it has fortunated you doesn't mean the rest of the community has the same outcome. The economy in port huron is awful. Businesses constantly closing and what not. To be honest, if I wasn't doing the B2 for the league and team, I probably wouldn't be able to afford to come to the games much either. But the economy isn't the only thing to blame either. Because of past history with Port Huron and Minor league hockey teams, the following has shrunk compared to the Border Cat days. I've been to many of those games and there was always a great crowd. Kinney has done his best to replicate that same system, and the outcome hasn't been the same. Even the style of hockey was different. Don't say it isn't, because it is. I remember seeing a lot more of the dirty and hard play from back then, than what is out there now. Euro-style of hockey is starting to make it's presence. Watching the Wings game yesterday, I even heard the commentators talk about how the league officials have been cracking down on the fighting. It all filters down. Some of these younger players are still looking for their chance to move up. With the higher leagues not looking into fighters anymore, players are starting to focus on their skills more than throwing punches. The players who just don't care and will throw down time after time have already accepted the fact that they will never go any higher. Look at Bouchard and Robinson. How many times have they gone up to the AHL. Todd has only played in 3 games and Robin has never been called up to the A, which goes to show that even their skill level isn't good enough. What kills me is everyone wants to pin this on Drulia, but yet no one comment on the players. Each player on the team has their own style of play and no matter how much you try to change them, they will still play that way.
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Apr 5, 2010 11:56:32 GMT -5
Post by xcheck28 on Apr 5, 2010 11:56:32 GMT -5
LOL, of course "fortunated" should have been "fortunately." Sorry, temporary hawkman syndrome.
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Apr 5, 2010 13:39:49 GMT -5
Post by The_DirtyBird on Apr 5, 2010 13:39:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so sure of that. The economy has fortunated not affected me directly, so I still have the money to spend on season tickets. However, if Drulia's coaching next year, it's pretty likely that neither myself or the people I sit with will renew our tix, not because we can't afford them, but because most games are just snoozers. Just because it has fortunated you doesn't mean the rest of the community has the same outcome. The economy in port huron is awful. Businesses constantly closing and what not. To be honest, if I wasn't doing the B2 for the league and team, I probably wouldn't be able to afford to come to the games much either. But the economy isn't the only thing to blame either. Because of past history with Port Huron and Minor league hockey teams, the following has shrunk compared to the Border Cat days. I've been to many of those games and there was always a great crowd. Kinney has done his best to replicate that same system, and the outcome hasn't been the same. Even the style of hockey was different. Don't say it isn't, because it is. I remember seeing a lot more of the dirty and hard play from back then, than what is out there now. Euro-style of hockey is starting to make it's presence. Watching the Wings game yesterday, I even heard the commentators talk about how the league officials have been cracking down on the fighting. It all filters down. Some of these younger players are still looking for their chance to move up. With the higher leagues not looking into fighters anymore, players are starting to focus on their skills more than throwing punches. The players who just don't care and will throw down time after time have already accepted the fact that they will never go any higher. Look at Bouchard and Robinson. How many times have they gone up to the AHL. Todd has only played in 3 games and Robin has never been called up to the A, which goes to show that even their skill level isn't good enough. What kills me is everyone wants to pin this on Drulia, but yet no one comment on the players. Each player on the team has their own style of play and no matter how much you try to change them, they will still play that way. Just would like to correct you that yes Bouchard did get called up to AAA hockey back when it was the original IHL. He got called up from Flint to Fort Wayne and he wanted to come back down. Hate bouchard all you want but you can never ever question his skills. Hes the best player in this league by far and I almost guarantee he could play at the AHL level still at his age.
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Apr 5, 2010 13:45:34 GMT -5
Post by The_DirtyBird on Apr 5, 2010 13:45:34 GMT -5
But I would also like to point out that yes this is a hockey wide problem with no fighting not a Stan Drulia issue. Its slowly going away, like it or not. Its tough to say who is to blame. Some will say its the players, some will say its coaches. Really its a little bit of both. The systems that are being put in place by coaches are less fighting and hitting and more skill play. So duh the players want to go as high up as they possibly can they are going to play the system. They aren't going to go out there and goon it up, draw stupid penalties then get cut and not have a pay check.
The IHL, if it even lasts past this year, needs to stop worrying about promoting fighting they need to work on making games more intense, creating better rivalries. If the game is intense and players are aggressive the entire game the fights will fall into place and things will work themselves out. The trick will be getting players to come in that will play aggressive hockey night in and night out. Its hard to find anymore.
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Apr 5, 2010 14:10:44 GMT -5
Post by section10 on Apr 5, 2010 14:10:44 GMT -5
The BorderCat days promoted rough, tough hockey. Hence, attendance was up. It's not all Stan's fault, but he was the one who released Bray and Kostadine and kept Bowman, Lovell, and Turner around. Don't blame it on the league or other teams. The other teams aggressive players get a night off at McMorran Arena, it's a Sunday skate with the family atmosphere. Why does Quad City still draw 3-4,000 a night with that Sh*tty team? Reicholz, Goulet, and Levesque are the reasons why. Argue all you want Computerjunkie, but if you poll the people in attendance, your views would be in the minority
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Apr 5, 2010 14:22:10 GMT -5
Post by rigamortis52 on Apr 5, 2010 14:22:10 GMT -5
The BorderCat days promoted rough, tough hockey. Hence, attendance was up. It's not all Stan's fault, but he was the one who released Bray and Kostadine and kept Bowman, Lovell, and Turner around. Don't blame it on the league or other teams. The other teams aggressive players get a night off at McMorran Arena, it's a Sunday skate with the family atmosphere. Why does Quad City still draw 3-4,000 a night with that Sh*tty team? Reicholz, Goulet, and Levesque are the reasons why. Argue all you want Computerjunkie, but if you poll the people in attendance, your views would be in the minority You have to look at what there is to do in those areas. In that part there isn't much to do for entertainment so they go to hockey games. They love their team enough that they don't care if they win or lose or even what their record is. People are just happy that they have hockey to watch so that's why they go. I'm pretty sure they don't go just because they have guys that fight or whatever. They feel fortunate to even have a team which most of you should feel. I understand that winning is good and all, but we need to look at the bright side of this all, we have a team to go watch almost every weekend and on top of that they are winning games no matter how boring or uneventful it may be. Going to a hockey game and watching them when or fight to the finish should be enough entertainment to suffice.
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Apr 5, 2010 14:35:56 GMT -5
Post by 1icehawkfan on Apr 5, 2010 14:35:56 GMT -5
The BorderCat days promoted rough, tough hockey. Hence, attendance was up. It's not all Stan's fault, but he was the one who released Bray and Kostadine and kept Bowman, Lovell, and Turner around. Don't blame it on the league or other teams. The other teams aggressive players get a night off at McMorran Arena, it's a Sunday skate with the family atmosphere. Why does Quad City still draw 3-4,000 a night with that Sh*tty team? Reicholz, Goulet, and Levesque are the reasons why. Argue all you want Computerjunkie, but if you poll the people in attendance, your views would be in the minority Why have a toughguy when Stan won't let the guy have a regular shift. Ever wonder why Snowy didnt come back besides if he landed his firefighting job. Stan wont give a toughguy a chance to prove that they can be tough and play hockey. As for Bowman... Erie is out of the playoffs and they have a guy from St Clair Shores that will do circles around him. I put his stats on the Nathe thread. Port Huron is the smallest town in the league thats why.
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Apr 5, 2010 14:40:06 GMT -5
Post by section10 on Apr 5, 2010 14:40:06 GMT -5
SOL PTS WPCT GF GA PIM HOME AWAY xMuskegon 70 48 18 1 3 100 .714 261 199 1497 30-7-0-0 18-11-1-3 xFort Wayne 69 44 21 1 3 92 .667 233 167 1445 24-7-1-1 20-14-0-2 xPort Huron 70 42 24 0 4 88 .629 237 207 1227 25-9-0-0 17-15-0-4 Bloomington 70 31 29 4 6 72 .514 228 245 1740 21-13-2-1 10-16-2-5 Flint 68 29 32 3 4 65 .478 205 229 1378 18-9-2-4 11-23-1-0 Quad City 70 25 34 4 7 61 .436 185 247 1022 19-11-1-4 6-23-3-3 Dayton 71 25 42 3 1 54 .380 192 247 1020 15-18-1-1 10-24-2-0
Any correlation to team Penalty minutes and place in standings
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Apr 5, 2010 14:47:14 GMT -5
Post by stinger on Apr 5, 2010 14:47:14 GMT -5
Somehow fighting-goonery keeps getting equated with the desire to watch a rough,tough aggressive brand of hockey mixed in with the skill players.Fights break out from a hitting game- the NHL except for Detroit has been up in fights in the last 2 years from the hard checking,hitting games.Why blame Drulia?-He puts the team together-most of the tough guys like Cescon,Gomez,Sawyer take a regular shift-they get played by their coach-It's Drulia's brand of hockey and their are many fans you won't convince to embrace the present brand of hockey as entertainment
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Apr 5, 2010 14:47:37 GMT -5
Post by section10 on Apr 5, 2010 14:47:37 GMT -5
YESTERDAY TOTAL GAMES AVERAGE Fort Wayne 258,638 33 7,837 Quad City 140,958 35 4,027 Muskegon 107,375 37 2,902 Bloomington 98,462 37 2,661 Flint 61,978 33 1,878 Port Huron 55,865 34 1,643 Dayton 44,679 35 1,276 TOTALS: 767,955 244 3,147
Any correlation to PIM's, yes I know QC is lower in PIM's but they do have 3 guys with over 100 PIM's. The Hawks have no one over 100 PIM's
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Apr 5, 2010 15:33:58 GMT -5
Post by stinger on Apr 5, 2010 15:33:58 GMT -5
Goons- The TOP SCORER on 4 teams have over 100 pim's . Bloomington's Craig Macdonald-43 goals and 121 minutes. Fort Wayne's Colin Chaulk-is the Komets top scorer and has 103 minutes. Flint's Jamie Schaafsma is their top scorer and has 105 minutes. Quad Cities Patrick Levesque is their top scorer with 61 points and 131 minutes. Muskegon's Matt Krug has 201 minutes and 44 points on defence.Brian Bicek has 53 points with 108 minutes for Muskegon. They all play tough aggressive hockey with many of their pims from fights and they somehow find time to be the top scorers on their teams- Such Goons they are.The Icehawks could use this type of goon to put the puck in the net and entertain.
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Apr 5, 2010 19:21:42 GMT -5
Post by The_DirtyBird on Apr 5, 2010 19:21:42 GMT -5
The BorderCat days promoted rough, tough hockey. Hence, attendance was up. It's not all Stan's fault, but he was the one who released Bray and Kostadine and kept Bowman, Lovell, and Turner around. Don't blame it on the league or other teams. The other teams aggressive players get a night off at McMorran Arena, it's a Sunday skate with the family atmosphere. Why does Quad City still draw 3-4,000 a night with that Sh*tty team? Reicholz, Goulet, and Levesque are the reasons why. Argue all you want Computerjunkie, but if you poll the people in attendance, your views would be in the minority Ok Bray and Kostadine maybe won 2 fights between each other. They both sucked especially Bray. Like I said before how many times could we possibly watch them get there asses handed to them before it was finally enough.
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